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Friday, July 13, 2007

I Hate Fanstory.com

You know the more I have to do with that website the more I am completely convinced that it would never help anyone to become a good writer. Okay, that's not completely true. That is me being a spiteful brat. I'm sure it would help with a few things, but I really really hate that place and here's me explaining why.

When you post a chapter, the chapter gets a 'complimentary certificate'. This means that the chapter will be available through a random generator called 'Up Next' where everyone can see it until it gets three reviews. This means that three people, who have probably not read the beginning of the story will be reviewing a single chapter. They have no idea what's going on or how things are progressing. It's like watching ten minutes out of a movie, which is hardly fair to the author, considering that they didn't see any of the scenes intended to ignite the reader's interest.

After the chapter gets three reviews, it goes back to your profile page where no one will ever see it again - unless they intentionally go to your profile page. In order to make the chapter viewable to the common browser, you have to put certificates on it that are purchasable with member dollars. You get these by reviewing other people's work or by buying them with real money. This means that reviewers who are just looking for member dollars while reviewing your work are not uncommon. They are trying to make money to promote their own work, so they aren't reading - just reviewing. This means that unless a reviewer starts pointing out specific things in their review (which most normal people never think to do) you can't tell if they actually read the chapter or not. And even if they did - is their opinion valid when they only read one chapter? Can they really see the tapestry you're generating? What if it's a bridge chapter!?! So, that means that a reviewer cannot accurately comment on the quality of the story, but can only complain about spelling, grammar, and typos. I find this so problematic, because if you have got a really interesting story then aren't those three things the least of your worries? Aren't editors a dime a dozen?

Also, I notice that this site has a huge problem reaching its target demographic. My biggest fans of 'Mark of a Goddess' were men who were born in the sixties. I would never have thought that it would be appealing to that crowd for reading pleasure. If it was an editor I could understand, but I couldn't figure out why these guys were reading.

All this, I've probably complained about before. The thing that has sent me spinning lately is the fact that I lately discovered that there is a word limit on fanstory (because of my browser). I can only post 5000 for a single chapter. Fanfiction.net and Fictionpress.com don't have word limits and I haven't seen a word limit on Mediaminer.com or Writing.com either. I don't have the words to express how painfully stupid I find that. My hubby says, "So why not try using Explorer instead?" I glare at him and say, "I shouldn't have to change my browser. Their system should suck less ... and have a document upload feature instead of making me copy and paste. What are we, in the stone ages?" When I wrote to the system administrator about the error (which wasn't displayed, I had to write him for him to tell me that it was my browser) he told me to divide the chapter into two chapters. However, doing so makes me violate the copyright agreements I must adhere to when uploading a new chapter. You're not allowed to upload the same material twice. It would be unfair with their certificate system. Grrr! And not only that, but that's just how long the chapter is. I'm not cutting it in half.

However, I do have a couple nice things to say about fanstory.com. I usually get answers to my tech support questions almost immediately. I never like Tom's answers, but he does write me back quickly. I also have to say that however inefficient, fanstory is one of the only methods to get guaranteed feedback on your writing if you have no one vaguely knowledgeable to get opinions from. And we all know how hard it is to get original fiction noticed.

But just for one last stab at fanstory, I have to say that mostly I find half their writers so painfully dry that they must be crawling out of their caskets in order to post writing that was old fashioned when it was originally written - decades ago. The other half are using the site for *almost* free therapy, because they post the ugliest parts of their own life and try to pass it off as literature. Right.

For original fiction - I would sent a reader to Fictionpress.com rather than Fanstory.com ten times out of ten. At least people read and write there for the sake of passion instead of validation.

47 Comments:

At 4:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen!

I typed in 'I hate fanstory.com' in Google to find your blog. I tire of giving people a REAL review and then they bitch to me about it. Just because someone is "the #1 ranked novelist" on the site doesn't mean I can't give it to them straight if their writing is average.

 
At 5:24 AM, Blogger Honus X Heppablatte said...

You should read my blog on my experiences throughout one year at fanstory entitled "my year at fanstory" oddly enough.

It tells the long, twisted tale of my censoring and ultimately being banned from the site. Here is the link if you are interested www.myyearatfanstory.blogspot.com

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At 5:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry your experience with fanstory was unsatisfactory. Maybe it just isn't right for you. It's a matter of you get back what you put in. I've been a member of fanstory for 4 months and I have learned a lot. It's true the system isn't perfect, but if you're up front with people about what you expect and you give honest reviews, you get the same in return. I've grown as a writer and have enjoyed my time there. I see it as a stepping stone in my development as a writer. One day I will move on, but for now I am doing all I can to learn.

I don't agree with what you said about the writers there. I have found a lot of gifted writers there, but maybe you and I have different taste in reading material.

 
At 5:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The other half are using the site for *almost* free therapy, because they post the ugliest parts of their own life and try to pass it off as literature. Right."

In your words, as stated above, I find this comment in very poor taste. Writing is a release of expression and whether a person writes fiction, fact or even chooses to write for therapeutic reasons that is their "Right". Writing begins with a thought and for others, the emotion. There is no right or wrong way! I don't think every person on Fanstory shares their writing for the purpose to seek validation in their writing skills in hopes of becoming a famous writer. Some write for other reasons whatever that may be!

As far as how the site operates as a whole, there is always room for improvement in every program. Should people feel "there's got to be a better program" Nothing is stopping people to create/invent their own.

Finger pointing is so lame and if you feel a site can be improved, nothing is stopping you from creating your own! Action speaks louder than words.

 
At 1:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been apart of fanstory.com for 2 1/2 months and bought a year subscription and I am now regretting the investment. I do not have very avid editing abilities. And I say that in all of my reviews. A lot of my material does lack in grammer, punctuation, sentence structure capacities. I today have asked a very good friend to edite my material but i doubt it will do me any good> My experience as of late date is the older members have formed a click and because they feel they have arrived have lost all ability to be compassionate in reviewing and editing any written material. I have also had some writers which I have developed a friendship report the same meaness and arrogance, lacking in compassion from older members in reviewing their creative babes. A lot of revenge reviewing and revenge stars given ( 2 star reviews or maybe 3 star reviews) leaving us feeling very scape goated and black balled. My lastest entry, one writer edited the hell out it. I changed my work trusting this reviewer's and editing skills. The next day an older member re-edited my material and corrected the first reviewers editing of my material. I explained what the first reviewer had done to my material, the second reviewer, the older member said: it is a slipper slope in receiving trusted editing and trusted reviews. I also have read the community forums on site and these older members (not all of them I might add)bash the hell out writers that may disagree with their reviewing styles. This older member made threats stating "I will continue to review your material if it is not up to par I will give you 1 or a 2 star, (a form of revenge reviewing). I called this writer on his threat!!!! I also informed this writer of the unprofessionalism that takes place on the community forums. I of late date have been black balled and no one will read my written material!!!
Frustrated...

 
At 2:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry for those who hate Fanstory. That's your privilege. As for me, I've been a member three years and I love it. I've made a lot of friends and learned a lot. Yes, there are unfair reviewers, but there are many of us who edit to help someone improve his or her skills and who really work at it. I also write a series of essays about writing to help those who want to learn.

"Revenge Reviews" are forbidden, aznd reportable to the site manager.

 
At 3:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi! I've been with Fanstory for nearly 3 years now. I have not found any clicks or mean spirited reviewers. Some folks don't baby you, and are maybe a bit turse. They know when you get out in the professional world, editor won't hesitate to step on your toes. You can't be thinned skinned. A lot of we older writers really do want to help the newbies coming along, but we only have so much time to work with you. It might do you good to clear your head and go back to FanStory. Do you know you have teachers, editors, published authors and experienced poets trying to help you there? Well, good luck with your writing.

Sincerely, A Fly On The Wall

 
At 8:47 AM, Blogger Gayle in Palm Springs said...

I love Fanstory. I've been a member for six years. The improvement in my writing is incredible. I self-published several books and have opened a POD company called Omega Publications. You can check out my novels by going to Amazon and querying Gayle Farmer.

I am a novelist and regarding the comments in one of the threads, I have some info that might be valuable. You have to make friends, get to know people. That way, each time you post something, all your fans are given notice and are directed to your new piece. I have a very large fanbase and get anywhere from 8-50 reviews with a relatively small amount of 'payment' involved.

I often break my 'regular' chapters in thirds if they're long. Never publish any chapter on FS over 2500 words, regardless. People will not spend the time reading and reviewing unless you're piling on the bucks.

There is no way you can infringe on your own copywrited work. You could split it up into individual paragraphs if you chose.

I've made wonderful friends from all over the world at FS, many of whom I've had the chance to meet over the years.

I don't think you can beat the price. Like everything else, it's what you make of it that's important.

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